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modern tech dystopia fiction bothers me because it acts as if humanity is slapping itself silly for no reason, as if a very tiny group of people isn't becoming obscenely wealthy from invading our privacy and micromanaging our lives

science fiction without class analysis is worse than worthless.

@dankwraith
The Wealthy Elite: *repeatedly smacking the rest of humanity in the face with its own hand* Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?

@dankwraith I agree. Any sort of dystopian fiction that doesn't address capitalism just starts feeling a bit religiously anti-human to me. Like it dwells on the bad stuff, because on some level it's presenting people as inherently bad. I feel that sets people up to accept oppression, not question it.

@erosdiscordia @dankwraith So, you understand my despair at the fact that so many who think of themselves as “left” uncritically accept the “Limits to Growth”/“Population Bomb” narrative as presented by the Club of Rome & its associates?

@dankwraith Every single book is gonna have some bullshit or mistakes in it, scifi included. But the responsibility of scifi to at least try to get it right seems more profound. It's suggesting to people what to dream of.

If it doesn't at least allude honestly to what makes our world shitty now, then it's a pretty thin dream, verging on dangerous delusion.

@erosdiscordia @dankwraith
Dankwraith, what is it in particular you are hating on right now? I think the most recent tech dystopia I read was Rule 34 by Charles Stross. I don't recall any class analysis. I thought it was a perfectly good book.

@dankwraith

Please give more examples of how "modern tech dystopia fiction... acts as if humanity is slapping itself silly for no reason, as if a very tiny group of people isn't becoming obscenely wealthy from invading our privacy and micromanaging our lives"

Counter-examples:

Avatar
Prometheus
Blade Runner 2049
Ghost in the Shell
District 9
Elysium
Cloud Atlas
The Matrix
Idiocracy
The Expanse
Heroes Reborn
Mr. Robot
Total Recall 2070
Helix
Westworld
Fallout
Overwatch
Halo
System Shock

@dankwraith
I'm testing this hypothesis by reading The Ship by Antonia Honeywell and I hate it so far. So thanks for that.

@dankwraith
God this is such a bad book. The problem with this book isn't its politics (which are very bad): it's anthrocentric. It imagines humanity surviving the sterilization of Earth. Anyway, it's a book about a bunch of people on a big boat and I am so desperate for them to sink.

It's not as bad as World War Z so at least there's that.

@dankwraith Man do I ever have several full blown rants on this. It pisses me off so much when scifi creators goes science = bad and/or technology = bad. No, neither of those are inherently bad, the problem is capitalism.
And I better cut off here before I fly into one of those full blown rants, because it's way too early and I haven't had enough coffee yet.

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